Comments on: Spirit of Elijah - Why? http://www.rendyourheart.com/revelations/spirit-of-elijah-why/ FIERY WORSHIP. BOLD TEACHING. FERVENT PRAYER. Sun, 20 May 2012 14:20:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Aaron http://www.rendyourheart.com/revelations/spirit-of-elijah-why/#comment-201 Aaron Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:30:39 +0000 http://www.likedaviddid.com/revelations/spirit-of-elijah-why/#comment-201 <p>All people can know "phileo" love, and have "right & wrong written on their hearts" - making them very capable of being great fathers & mothers, children & siblings, leaders & citizens. But only those with the Spirit of God inside them are capable of "agape" love... the kind mentioned in 1 John 4:19, that requires that He first give it to us, before we can have it at all.</p> <p>In Luke, the angel tells Zacharias that [A] he (who was the spirit of Elijah) will turn many children of Israel to God, and then also [B] turn the hearts of fathers to the children. (Luke 1:16-17) Will this only happen within the church? That's not black-and-white enough for a straight answer, but, do we just want to be those whose hearts get turned, or do we want to be the ones moving in the spirit & power of Elijah TURNING these hearts? That will be believers.</p> <p>There is no direct Biblical connection that I am aware of between Joel 2 (spirit poured on all flesh) and Malachi 4 (hearts of the fathers/children). But, it would look to me, from reading through Joel 2, that somewhere between "returning to the Lord", "rending your heart", "fasting & weeping" and His Spirit being poured out is when the hearts will be turning.</p> All people can know “phileo” love, and have “right & wrong written on their hearts” - making them very capable of being great fathers & mothers, children & siblings, leaders & citizens. But only those with the Spirit of God inside them are capable of “agape” love… the kind mentioned in 1 John 4:19, that requires that He first give it to us, before we can have it at all.

In Luke, the angel tells Zacharias that [A] he (who was the spirit of Elijah) will turn many children of Israel to God, and then also [B] turn the hearts of fathers to the children. (Luke 1:16-17) Will this only happen within the church? That’s not black-and-white enough for a straight answer, but, do we just want to be those whose hearts get turned, or do we want to be the ones moving in the spirit & power of Elijah TURNING these hearts? That will be believers.

There is no direct Biblical connection that I am aware of between Joel 2 (spirit poured on all flesh) and Malachi 4 (hearts of the fathers/children). But, it would look to me, from reading through Joel 2, that somewhere between “returning to the Lord”, “rending your heart”, “fasting & weeping” and His Spirit being poured out is when the hearts will be turning.

]]> By: Jakob http://www.rendyourheart.com/revelations/spirit-of-elijah-why/#comment-198 Jakob Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:52:54 +0000 http://www.likedaviddid.com/revelations/spirit-of-elijah-why/#comment-198 You are very right I think on this one, if I can't turn my heart to my earthly father then I certainly can't turn my heart to my Heavenly Father, but the question remains which came first the chicken or the egg? There are allot of humanistic people who turn their hearts to their children and their fathers but don't know THE FATHER, How can we know what love is if we don't know God (who is love) first? Is this passage talking about the Israelites/Followers of Jesus? I know this passage is for the end of days and I know that the love of many will grow cold, will the great Joel outpouring on all flesh be the thing that turns the hearts? Humor me here Aaron I'm still trying to drink my milk! You are very right I think on this one, if I can’t turn my heart to my earthly father then I certainly can’t turn my heart to my Heavenly Father, but the question remains which came first the chicken or the egg? There are allot of humanistic people who turn their hearts to their children and their fathers but don’t know THE FATHER, How can we know what love is if we don’t know God (who is love) first? Is this passage talking about the Israelites/Followers of Jesus? I know this passage is for the end of days and I know that the love of many will grow cold, will the great Joel outpouring on all flesh be the thing that turns the hearts? Humor me here Aaron I’m still trying to drink my milk!

]]> By: Aaron http://www.rendyourheart.com/revelations/spirit-of-elijah-why/#comment-199 Aaron Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:29:06 +0000 http://www.likedaviddid.com/revelations/spirit-of-elijah-why/#comment-199 <p>When you say "1st & 2nd commandment", I assume you mean "the greatest, and the one like it" from Jesus' response to the Pharisees, right? 1st - Love God; 2nd - Love others & yourself... just clarifying for random readers. Moving on:</p> <p>You would THINK that turning someone's heart to our Heavenly Father (vertical) would be sufficient to change & turn their heart towards their earthly father and towards others, but, seriously, just look at the church as a whole. Look at a large chunk of pastors in the world, and then look at their own children.</p> <p>It is entirely possible, with the human heart the way it is, to become consumed and focused on loving the Lord, and then end up neglecting and disrespecting the humans in your life. It's entirely TOO possible! Don't you think?</p> When you say “1st & 2nd commandment”, I assume you mean “the greatest, and the one like it” from Jesus’ response to the Pharisees, right? 1st - Love God; 2nd - Love others & yourself… just clarifying for random readers. Moving on:

You would THINK that turning someone’s heart to our Heavenly Father (vertical) would be sufficient to change & turn their heart towards their earthly father and towards others, but, seriously, just look at the church as a whole. Look at a large chunk of pastors in the world, and then look at their own children.

It is entirely possible, with the human heart the way it is, to become consumed and focused on loving the Lord, and then end up neglecting and disrespecting the humans in your life. It’s entirely TOO possible! Don’t you think?

]]> By: Jakob http://www.rendyourheart.com/revelations/spirit-of-elijah-why/#comment-200 Jakob Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:59:59 +0000 http://www.likedaviddid.com/revelations/spirit-of-elijah-why/#comment-200 I guess I've always been confused by the horizontal reference in this verse. I've often thought to myself "why would the Spirit of Elijah not turn the hearts of the fathers and the children to THE FATHER which would also then turn our hearts back to each other." I guess what I'm asking is why there seems to be an emphasis on the second commandment in this verse as opposed to the first. I guess I’ve always been confused by the horizontal reference in this verse. I’ve often thought to myself “why would the Spirit of Elijah not turn the hearts of the fathers and the children to THE FATHER which would also then turn our hearts back to each other.” I guess what I’m asking is why there seems to be an emphasis on the second commandment in this verse as opposed to the first.

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